In this week's podcast, Karl, Ben, and Laurie talk about Ben Boruff's article in Ministry Matters "How to Rid Your Church of Young People." Does the old institutional church, the church of the 40s and 50s, have anything to say to people under thirty (or even to some people over fifty)? How can the old heirarchies, the old assumptions, and the old structures of a declining and mourning church accept the leadership of people who never knew about or cared about the mainline protestant heydey? We all get frustrated and mildly indignant, which is great fun. Plus, we talk about Luke 16:1-13, the poetry of Malcom Guite, and other fun things. You can join us by listening here or subscribing through the iTunes store.