In this week's podcast, Karl, Laurie and Ben talk about leisure, using Jenny Diski's article in The New Statesman, "Learning How to Live," as a jumping off point. Why is it that we feel dread when we're unoccupied? And did paleolithic people really get it right, with all their fish catching and nut eating? Was Jesus in favor of leisure, and how would he have answered the oft-voiced question at parties, "So what do you do?" Our discussion of this Sunday's Gospel, Luke 14:25-33, casts some light on these and other weighty matters. Listen to the podcast here or by subscribing through the iTunes store.