Ali Rizvi grew up in Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and moved to North America when he was 24. He now writes about atheism, secularism and Islam. In the wake of the Manchester concert attack and two London terrorist attacks, Ali and Josh dig into the thorny topic of how to reform Islam without tarnishing Muslims. Can the Koran be taken less seriously? Should Western feminists stop glorifying the hijab? Can we quit it with identity politics? And what is the real, deeper damage done by terrorism? Ali’s book is The Atheist Muslim. After hearing this conversation, you’ll wanna read it.