We talked to the Irish born Amsterdam-based Stone Twins, consisting of twin brothers Declan and Garech Stone. We obviously talk about their roots and their creative partnership; after 20 years of living and working in Holland, are they Irish or Dutch Designers? They use the design for the Dutch Post Office as an interesting example about how Dutch Design has developed in the last 20 years. In the role of head of the Man & Communication-department at the Design Academy Eindhoven (which they resigned to in june 2013) they see themselves as cheerleaders, cheering and provoking their students towards a reaction of any kind. They want them to be prepared for the real world, that needs relevant designers with a realistic attitude and creative ideas, more dialogue, less monologue. Recorded at What Design Can Do 2012, Amsterdam, the Netherlands.