Jilliana's guest today is the well known Shamanic Practitioner Leo Rutherford originally from Liverpool as is Jilliana! Susi interviews Leo and finds out how he moved from his 'normal' life to an 'abnormal' life as his Life Journey took him to San Francisco in 1978 at a time where an Alternative lifestyle was evolving. Leo studied with Gabrielle Roth and his life changed forever. Jilliana read 'Liverpool memories#2' and Leo selected 'Petite fleur' by Chris Barber as for 15 years he was a semi-professional clarinettist. 'Keep on the subside' and many more talking about how North American native music influence his trance dancing. A fascinating hour.