Professor Andrew Prescott talks to Michael Saunby, a leading figure in the British open science movement, particularly in the field of meteorology, and a pivotal figure in community data activities, such as Mozfest. Following his interventions at the 2016 Mozfest, which included a future toys hack, Michael talks about his fascination with the old tech world of valves, practical wireless and homemade electrical devices, and they discuss what insights this provides into digital making and craft.